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The threading section above dips into a topic known as 'netiquette'.
The threading section above dips into a topic known as 'netiquette'. is considered bad form (i.e. bad etiquette) to hijack a thread, your emails in some strange way
== Keep Discussions On-List ==
== Keep Discussions On-List ==
Revision as of 14:14, 2 July 2015
- 1 Mailing List Etiquette
- 2 Formatting
- 3 Netiquette
- 4 Patches
- 5 Instructions For Specific Clients
- 6 References
Mailing List Etiquette
Across most open source projects a very specific email posting style is used. This is an attempt to document the main points of that style.
Please don't send HTML email. Send your email as plain text only. You really don't need any fancy formatting that HTML allows. Also, HTML email will screw up the formatting of any code you quote in your email.
If you do send HTML email (please don't), at least configure your client to include a plain text alternative as an attachment.
Lines should be wrapped at 72 characters. That is, in the plain text email you send, every line will contain a carriage return character in the 72nd column or before.
The exception to this is quoted text - the quoted text should not be line wrapped at all, especially if you are quoting someone's patch in your reply.
We use the interleaved style of replies. You place your replies to specific points directly under those points in the quoted text.
> Red is my favorite color. Red sucks. > But yellow is nice sometimes. I agree. Yellow is nice.
Reply Level Indication
When quoting previous emails in our replies, we use
> to differentiate the quoted text from our email. You can have multiple levels of replies indented like this.
> > > Red is my favorite color. > > > > Red sucks. > > Does not! Does too!
Quoted text should also be preceeded by an attribution line.
Bob wrote: > Jim wrote: > > Bob wrote: > > > Red is my favorite color. > > > > Red sucks. > > Does not! Does too!
This is important because if someone gets cc-ed on a conversation and is missing the context, the attribution lines help them make sense of the conversation so far.
You don't need to quote all of an email in order to respond to one specific point. Rather than doing:
> Red is my favorite color. Red sucks! > But yellow is nice sometimes. > > I have a lot of opinions on colors.
you should trim the parts of the quoted email that aren't relevant to your contribution. So, this would be sufficient:
> Red is my favorite color. Red sucks!
Also, it is okay to reformat the original email slightly when trimming. Rather than:
> Red is my favorite color. But yellow is nice sometimes. I have a Yellow rocks!
it's better to do:
> But yellow is nice sometimes. Yellow rocks!
However, don't go overboard with trimming. Retain any context that might be useful to people joining the thread later.
Email clients insert a
Message-ID: header and when you reply to an email, that email's ID will be included in the
In-Reply-To: header of your response. This allows email clients to display the thread like this:
From Subject Date Joe Pizza! 13.00 Ray Re: Pizza! 13.25 Sue Re: Pizza! 13.15 Bob Colors 12.02 Jim Re: Colors 13.05 Bob Re: Colors 13.10 Mary Re: Colors 12.30
Many folks who deal with a lot of email rely heavily on threading like this. For example, they can quickly glance at a thread and mark all the emails in the thread as read.
Things get annoying when people either use a mail client that does not handle threading correctly or hijack a thread for a completely different subject. So, instead, you might get:
From Subject Date Bob Colors 12.02 Joe Pizza! 13.20 Ray Re: Pizza! 13.25 Jim Re: Colors 13.05 Mary Re: Colors 12.30 Sue Re: Pizza! 13.15 Bob Re: Colors 13.10
What happened here is that Joe hijacked the Colors thread with his Pizza! email and both Bob and Sue are using mail clients that don't thread correctly.
This drives people crazy! Please make sure you avoid both problems.
Sometimes it is appropriate to change the subject of a thread rather than starting a new thread. For example, you my want to drill down into a subset of subject of the original thread. One convention for doing this is:
From Subject Date Bob Colors 12.02 Jim Red [was Re: Colors] 13.05 Bob Re: Red [was Re: Colors] 13.10 Mary Re: Colors 12.30
The threading section above dips into a topic known as 'netiquette'. For example, it is considered bad form (i.e. bad etiquette) to hijack a thread, or to format your emails in some strange way.
This is a large topic, but let's try and cover the most important and relevant items.
Cross-posting is the action of posting the same message to several mailing-lists at the same time. While it may sound like a great way to reach a wider audience, it creates problems with replies, as not everyone will be able to post their reply back to every mailing-list you posted to. This results in cross-hatched threads, where some replies are missing depending on the mailing-list you're trying to follow the discussion to.
Alternate solutions include choosing a main mailing-list for your message and posting separate pointers to that discussion on other mailing-lists, asking to reply to the thread there if interested. Or post separate messages on each mailing-list, to create separate threads.
Keep Discussions On-List
When replying to a discussion, or starting a new discussion, your instinct should be to have that discussion on the appropriate mailing list.
Avoid taking a discussion off-list by replying directly without cc-ing the mailing list.
Avoid starting a discussion off-list. If you find yourself cc-ing more than 2 or 3 people, you should probably just cc a mailing list.
We use mailing lists because it gives a wider audience the opportunity to stay involved or informed, it encourages openness and it means the discussion is archived for future reference.
Yes, sometimes it's not appropriate to discussion something on a mailing list. But this should be the exception, not the rule.
OpenStack-related job postings should be posted to the (free) OpenStack job board, not the mailing lists.
Please don't send review request directly on the mailing list but use other channels like direct email or IRC ping, see Thierry's email on this :
Core reviewers already receive emails about things they should review, and use tools to prioritize their review queue. If you'd like someone in particular to review things, send an email to them or ping them on IRC. If you'd like to get your review prioritized up, chiming in in the corresponding weekly team meeting should be a hundred times more efficient. But sending something which duplicates the automatic email notification is ineffective and creates ML noise (which is a pain for everyone).
(We don't usually send patches to the mailing list in OpenStack, but the sake of completeness ...)
The correct format for sending patches is a sizeable topic in itself, but is nicely covered by the SubmittingPatches file in the kernel source tree.
The main things to note are:
[PATCH NN/MM]in the email subject
- If this is a revision of a previous series of patches, do e.g.
[PATCH NN/MM v2]
- The patch should be in the body of the email, not a MIME attachment
- A marker line containg
---separates the commit message from the diff
The best thing is to just use git's
$> git send-email --compose --to firstname.lastname@example.org 00*.patch
send-email works on Windows too, see these instructions for configuring it.
Instructions For Specific Clients
The kernel's Documentation/email-clients.txt is pretty comprehensive.
Don't use it!
Alternatively, try this QuoteFix Macro.
It looks like the Zimbra email composer just can't handle these guidelines.
You can get close with "When replying to an email: Include original message" and "use prefix >", but it's still not good enough. Even with those settings, Zimbra doesn't allow you do nice attribution lines and it line-wraps quoted text.
Honestly, it looks like a lost cause. Use a proper email client like Thunderbird for most of your work.
To configure it to send plain-text email, go to Accounts, Composition & Addressing and uncheck "Compose messages in HTML format".
You should also disable
text/plain; format=flowed or you'll see line wrapping issues. Go to Preferences, Advanced, Config Editor and disable
Or you can just install the Asalted Patches add-on. "Stops your patches from being assaulted".
To configure it to send plain-text email, go to Preferences, Composer Preferences and unset "Format messages in HTML". Also, set reply style to "Quoted". In Mail Preferences, set Plain Text Mode to Prefer PLAIN.
Rumour has it that it "just works fine by default". HTML formatting can be enabled globally or per recipeint. Line wrap can be customized in "Configure Kmail > Composer > General"
Is this still common? I dunno, but it should work fine.
Apparently it's a good idea to set the "quell-flowed-text" feature.
If you're using mutt, you probably know all this already.